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Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2069413) I feel really bad for her. She sounds like she is having a very difficult time with it. I hope she learns to cope.

Originally Posted by Haltiat (Post 2069415) I don't know what it is with these people. Like the man said in the video he had to see that she had a shotgun.

Originally Posted by Haltiat (Post 2069422) I understand but I'd feel a lot worse for her if she wasn't able to stop the guy.

Now just to be a jerk... why didn't she ask him to run 500 yards away so she could shoot him with her .308 battle rifle from a more advantageous distance?

Originally Posted by Haltiat (Post 2069422) I understand but I'd feel a lot worse for her if she wasn't able to stop the guy. Now just to be a jerk... why didn't she ask him to run 500 yards away so she could shoot him with her .308 battle rifle from a more advantageous distance?

Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 2069453) You can shoot close distance with a .308. I bet it would of only taken one shot too.

Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2069435) It is better to be alive and have to take some time to reconcile taking a life than be victimized.

Like Willie said I am also disturbed that the 911 operator told her to go into a tactically disadvantageous situation. It would have been far safer to tell her to run out the door on the other side of the house than to corner herself in a tiny room with no hope of escape... and as I said in another thread today, running away isn't exactly the surest bet in the first place. But that advice wasn't about safety, it was about LIABILITY.

Originally Posted by Haltiat (Post 2069415) Like the man said in the video he had to see that she had a shotgun.

Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 2071325) I'm a gun guy - I freaking love guns.....I'm all for ones right to defend themselves too .....but she probably did not have to kill the guy. I don't know what the situation was in terms of visability....but she had a lot of time to get ready and in a spot to possibly even detain the guy....provided she could see if he had a weapon. Also - she used some extremely poor choice of words that may have worked against her with a different prosecuter. Hind sight is 20/20 and it all worked out for her.....yep, the guy was a dirt bag and will not be missed - and she is very likely preventing future crimes by killing the guy. Just sounded (remember we can't see what was happening) like her killing him was probably not necessary....she probably have a chance to protect herself without using the force of death. I can't put my finger on it - but it was nearly like she looked forward to being so prepared and was nearly bragging about her ability/preparation to kill him.....her choice of words were very poor....perhaps it was just the situation she was in...there is a lot we don't know about the situation. Does anyone else get that impression?

Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 2071325) I'm a gun guy - I freaking love guns.....I'm all for ones right to defend themselves too .....but she probably did not have to kill the guy. I don't know what the situation was in terms of visability....but she had a lot of time to get ready and in a spot to possibly even detain the guy....provided she could see if he had a weapon. Also - she used some extremely poor choice of words that may have worked against her with a different prosecuter. Hind sight is 20/20 and it all worked out for her.....yep, the guy was a dirt bag and will not be missed - and she is very likely preventing future crimes by killing the guy. Just sounded (remember we can't see what was happening) like her killing him was probably not necessary....she probably have a chance to protect herself without using the force of death. I can't put my finger on it - but it was nearly like she looked forward to being so prepared and was nearly bragging about her ability/preparation to kill him.....her choice of words were very poor....perhaps it was just the situation she was in...there is a lot we don't know about the situation. Does anyone else get that impression?

Originally Posted by Mantokir (Post 2071396) I didn't get that from her at all, more or less seemed to me like she was talking herself up, maybe getting ready for the possibility of having to shoot the guy. And are you seriously suggesting that someone should try and detain someone breaking into their house?

It's best to make it known you are armed and prepared to shoot - provided there is time/distance and safety between you and the the perp in your home

Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 2071325) I'm a gun guy - I freaking love guns.....I'm all for ones right to defend themselves too .....but she probably did not have to kill the guy. I don't know what the situation was in terms of visability....but she had a lot of time to get ready and in a spot to possibly even detain the guy....provided she could see if he had a weapon. Also - she used some extremely poor choice of words that may have worked against her with a different prosecuter. Hind sight is 20/20 and it all worked out for her.....yep, the guy was a dirt bag and will not be missed - and she is very likely preventing future crimes by killing the guy. Just sounded (remember we can't see what was happening) like her killing him was probably not necessary....she probably have a chance to protect herself without using the force of death. I can't put my finger on it - but it was nearly like she looked forward to being so prepared and was nearly bragging about her ability/preparation to kill him.....her choice of words were very poor....perhaps it was just the situation she was in...there is a lot we don't know about the situation. Does anyone else get that impression?

Originally Posted by steel_ag (Post 2071644) Just got my custom no trespass (with self-executing contract verbage) signs the other day from buildasign.com...just posted some on two of the corners of my property today...will finish the other two corners tomorrow...already have the castle law signs up by all my windows saying that intruders will be shot... no intruder will be able to say they weren't warned... :36_1_30:

Originally Posted by steel_ag (Post 2071644) Just got my custom no trespass (with self-executing contract verbage) signs the other day from buildasign.com...just posted some on two of the corners of my property today...will finish the other two corners tomorrow...already have the castle law signs up by all my windows saying that intruders will be shot... no intruder will be able to say they weren't warned... :36_1_30:

NOTICE AND DEMAND
NOTICE TO AGENT IS NOTICE TO PRINCIPAL; NOTICE TO PRINCIPAL IS NOTICE TO AGENT.
SILENCE IS ACQUIESCENCE, AGREEMENT, AND DISHONOR.
DOMUS SUA CUIQUE EST TUTISSIMUM REFUGIUM. EVERY MAN'S HOUSE IS HIS CASTLE.
LE CONTRAT FAIT LA LOI. THE CONTRACT MAKES THE LAW.
IGNORANCE OF FACTS EXCUSES, IGNORANCE OF LAW DOES NOT EXCUSE
THIS IS A SELF-EXECUTING CONTRACT.
PRIVATE PROPERTY. KEEP OUT.
NO TRESPASS.
DO NOT HARM PEOPLE. DO NOT DAMAGE PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY IS UNDER VIDEO SURVEILLANCE.
NO PEDDLERS AND SOLICITORS.
NO FIREARMS OR ANY OTHER OBJECT OR DEVICE USED OR ATTEMPTED TO BE USED TO CAUSE BODILY HARM.
BEWARE OF DOG.
LAND USE FEE PER GOVERNMENTAL, QUASI-GOVERNMENTAL, DE FACTO GOVERNMENTAL, OR PRIVATE INTRUSION, PER INTRUDER – TWO MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS.
PROPERTY OF INTRUDER(S) WILL BE SEIZED AS SURETY FOR PAYMENT OF LAND USE FEE.
INTRUDER(S) ENTER PROPERTY AT THEIR OWN RISK; LANDOWNERS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INJURIES INCURRED BY INTRUDER(S) FROM ANY SOURCE.
INTRUDER(S) INDEMNIFIES LANDOWNERS FROM ANY ACTS ARISING FROM THE LANDOWNERS’ NEGLIGENCE.
All public officials must complete a public servant questionnaire located near the entrance (or downloaded from www.xyz.com) prior to landowners’ decision to grant or not to grant consent for entry onto landowners’ property. Mail completed public servant questionnaire(s) to the following temporary mailing location: Joe-Snuffy: Freeman, c/o 1234 Somewhere Street, Suite 123, PMB#456, Somecity, Somestate Republic; near [98765]; Non-domestic without the US.
A public official, agent, medical personnel or any other person(s) entering this property without the express consent of the landowners and/or without a lawful, correct, and complete 4th amendment warrant will be considered an intruder attempting to trespass, extort, injure, threaten, harass, intimidate, or otherwise jeopardize the life and property of the landowners. Person(s) granted consent by landowners to enter property, hereinafter invitees, must leave property no later than 2 minutes after being notified of landowners’ revocation of consent. Revocation of landowners’ prior consent shall not relieve any invitee(s) from liabilities already incurred.
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This notice and demand does not apply to any employee of the United Parcel Service, FEDEX Corporation, and of any utility company with easement rights on this property, who are acting in their official capacity for their employer; no firearms will be allowed by any of these foregoing employees at any time.
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Originally Posted by nub (Post 2071780) Ok, I have been reading this thread for a couple of days now, I have to put in my 2 cents. Where I am at, sometimes the sheriff shows up and sometimes they don't. We have always said "they are just good for the clean up." I am glad she waited to shoot til he got in the house and at least she shot him dead, If she would have just injured him he could have sued her, A few years ago I read an article about a shooting and the person was just injured, turned around and sued the homeowner who owned the house he had broken into, ridiculous. A sherriff was here not long ago, he saw my Mossberg hanging on the wall, I asked him what my rights were if someone were to come up here, he said if you are in fear for your life shoot to kill, but hold your fire for the UPS man. I think protecting oneself is different when you live in the middle of nowhere, It could take 10 mins to and hour depending on what part of the county the sherriff is in. There are all kinds of no trespassing signs, and the gates are locked so nobody should be coming around uninvited anyway. I wouldn't have any problem shooting someone to protect myself or my family.

Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 2071486) Depending on the situation - yep - why kill if you don't have to? Here in Michigan there is a lot of baggage associated with that kind of shooting. Plus - no matter how bad assed you think you might be - you have to live with the fact you killed someone - and this could be a real problem if you could look back on it and think did I have to do that? What if it was a young 16 year old kid....not a lot of criminal history? You don't have that monday morning quarterback perspective at the heat of the moment. What if he knows he is caught and tries to give up or run...do you still kill him? I just don't think death is right for some guy trying to steal your shit while you hide under cover waiting to blast him....that said, the possibility of it happening should serve as serves as a fantastic deterant to criminals. It's best to make it known you are armed and prepared to shoot - provided there is time/distance and safety between you and the the perp in your home.....on the street it is different - when the gun come out it if fight toi the death time...no time and too dangerous to warn or drive the guy away.

Originally Posted by Government Chee-tos (Post 2071752) Pics? I'd given the guy a single warning then blasted him. I've grown very tired of having to worry about the rights of some parasite trying to do harm to innocent people. Send a bill to his family for a new sliding glass door.